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Juice Fasting and Juice Feast with John Rose

Posted Aug 24 2008 7:51pm

Juice Feasting: A Proven System for Improving Your Health and Extending Your Lifespan

by Michael Snyder and John Rose

Mike: Hello John, thank you for joining us today. would you like say a little bit about your area of expertise and what you do as a wellness consultant.

John Rose: You bet. I specialize in weight loss and, more specifically, juice fasting. We are now calling it Juice Feasting. In all of my research I’ve discovered that the cause to almost every one of our problems is our weight. We’ve got junk inside of us that really creates a lot of havoc. That’s the main thing I do, but as a wellness consultant, obviously, I just don’t look at nutrition, I look at all the factors that determine how healthy we’ll be and how sick we’ll be. So I pretty much am open minded to all of my research. There’s hardly anything I won’t consider looking

into to find out if there’s anything to it.

Basically, I teach a very simple philosophy of just cleansing and rebuilding the body. Of course, not everybody is ready to do something as aggressive as a juice fast, but it is the fastest and

easiest way to take care of all four things that we need to do to be healthy. And that is to cleanse, to rebuild, to re-hydrate, and to alkalize.

Again, a lot of people are quite overwhelmed by that whole process. They think it’s going to be difficult. They think they’re going to be hungry. They think they’re not going to have any energy, but yet those are the three comments I get from everyone I coach. They can’t believe it’s easy. They can’t believe they have all this energy and they can’t believe they’re not hungry,

which is kind of funny in a way because to do a juice fast correctly you’ve got to drink about a gallon of juice a day, which is close to 16 pounds of food. So, you get more nutrition when you’re fasting probably than any other time.

Mike: Since you’re an expert in fasting, how many fasts have you done?

John: All together I’ve done 125 fasts. Now one year I fasted one day a week to see what that was like. So there are 52 one-day fasts, but my longest was 90 days. I’ve gone 60 days. I’ve done a 43-day fast, five for thirty and then my first five years of trying to be 100% raw, I wasn’t always that successful and I always found after I fasted that if I stuck to 100% raw food diet I didn’t gain any weight.

As soon as I ate anything cooked, and it didn’t matter if it was bean squash, or broccoli, or potatoes, or whatever I gained weight. It plugged up my colon again and that’s why I had to fast so many different times. Currently, I’ve done all that research a long time ago. So, now I fast maybe one time a year for like 30 days just to remind myself how exciting it is. Especially when you get up to day 19 or so, it’s hard to describe how euphoric the feeling is.

Mike: That’s amazing stuff. I think if people who are eating a completely healthy diet, a perfect diet, than they wouldn’t need to fast but I think that it’s the unnatural foods that are the cause of the need for fasting. Why should people be fasting?

John: You bet. That’s the main cause, of course, nowadays since we’ve been eating unnatural foods for so long and since we’re polluted ourselves, we’re not very bright, and we pollute our environment. Even if we’re eating ideally, it’s not a bad idea to fast to help rid the body of toxins that we get from other sources besides our food. Our air and our water is not really all that great and there’s so many other factors, electro magnetic radiation, and on and on and

on. So in this toxic world we live in now, it’s not a bad idea to periodically fast especially at the times of the seasonal changes, in the spring and in the fall.

Mike: What’s your current diet? How long have you been eating this way?

John: Well, it took me five years to get to 100%, but I’ve been at 100% right at ten years now. I am raw vegan. I consume no animal products whatsoever. I don’t cook any food. I eat a lot of tropical fruits. Today I had a durian for dinner; on top of that I had a salad.

My typical dinner is about 3 pounds of fruit and about a 3-pound salad. I usually only eat two meals a day. I’m very active still. Today, I walked about 8 miles and played tennis for two hours and I’ll be turning 51 my next birthday and I don’t feel like I’m slowing down one bit. This diet is so exciting, what can you say about it? Wow.

Mike: That’s great. It’s truly a high-energy diet.

John: Exactly; very-high energy. In fact, that’s how I got involved in this many years ago when I was playing competitive tennis. I became a vegetarian for athletic reasons and that’s the first thing I noticed. My endurance level skyrocketed and that’s what got me excited. I wanted to know more. Since then I’ve been like a sponge and I can’t read enough about the subject matter.

Mike: I’ve done couple of fasts in the last couple of years but, when I tell people that aren’t familiar with fasting, they’re shocked and concerned and a little scared for me. They’re like, why are you going to starve yourself?

John: Yeah.

Mike: I tell them there’s a huge difference between fasting and starvation, can you talk a little bit about that difference?

John: You bet. In fact, the body is not stupid in any way. It knows how to rob Peter to pay Paul, so to speak. It knows that when you stop eating after several days it goes into a self-digestive mode and it goes after the bad stuff before it goes after anything else. We’ve got reserves of fat that it can use, but obviously we’re not giving the body everything it needs.

So it does need to, like I said, rob Peter to pay Paul. You’re not using your pancreas much at this time, so it breaks part of it down to make sure that you have all of your heart and your liver and your lungs and your brain in tact. In fact it’s interesting if you’ve ever read any of Herbert Shelton’s books, which I’ve read all of his books on fasting and he states that even when animals die of starvation, they still have all those main organs in tact. What you end up dying of starvation is you basically just freeze to death. You just run out of fuel to keep your body warm.

And, of course, when you go on a water fast, if you water fast, your hunger will disappear after about three days, which goes to show it wasn’t true hunger to begin with. It was just a withdrawal symptom. And then when your hunger returns that’s a sign that you’re ready to eat and if you don’t eat at that time then you’ll go into starvation mode.

Now a juice fast, many people will argue that it’s not a true fast, and perhaps it may be a misnomer, but the one thing about our language is it’s quite flexible and it adapts to the changing times. Perhaps it might be best to call it a juice diet, but yet everyone you ever talk to that you say juice fast, they know what you’re talking about. And, indeed, the two are two different things, as you well know Mike. During a water fast you turn your body into an eating

machine. A juice fast is more of a cleansing machine, so it’s not quite the same thing.

Mike: I’ve had many questions from people asking that maybe their diabetic, or they have an eating disorder, or they’re too skinny. So they just want to know if it’s safe for them to fast. Is it safe for everyone?

John: I missed the very first part. Did you say anorexic?

Mike: Diabetic.

John: Diabetic. Okay. That’s what I thought you might have said. Actually with a juice fast, I’ve worked with a lot of diabetics and they just have to be more selective at what they juice. They’ve got to stick with juices that won’t raise their blood sugar and mostvegetables will not. A lot of my students that are diabetic can actually handle carrot juice. The master cleanser uses maple syrup they can’t handle, but I find that the agave nectar works great.

Ever since I’ve been using the agave nectar, all of my students were able to pretty much not even need their medication from day one and use the nectar with lemon juice and cayenne pepper and water.

Whether or not it’s unsafe for anybody, I don’t think so. No. Perhaps for a few people who may have some very severe psychological issues about eating, this might complicate the issues,

but I don’t think it does because in order for them to think clearly, the blood needs to be pure and if their colon is full of garbage then they’re not going to be thinking very well either. So, no, I don’t think anyone would be contraindicated to doing a juice fast.

Mike: So for a first timer, should they start out with a water fast, or a juice feast?

John: Oh, a juice fast by all means. You know water fasting, you’ve got to, even though I would bet that probably 99 out of 100 people could probably water fast for several weeks, three or four weeks, if not longer safely. It’s still something that you need to be supervised with because even if one out of a hundred people die of a heart attack because they run out of potassium, I don’t know about you, but I wouldn’t want to be that one out of a hundred.

So if you did a water fast, I think that most people could fast safely but I think the real issue here is being practical. Most people just can’t take a vacation from life and say okay I’m just going to do nothing but drink water and lay in bed and not worry about working, or taking care of my family. With a juice fast you can maintain a normal life and actually have a better quality of life.

Your energy will skyrocket during this time. You can, now when I did my longest fast of 90 days, I couldn’t put in my normal seven hour, eight hour exercise routine that I was doing while I was

playing competitive tennis, but I could still put in a four hour day.

I just couldn’t juice 5,000 calories but I was still active and that’s the great benefit about the juice fast is you’re still able to go to work, take care of your family, take care of your financial responsibilities. So, I would strongly recommend the juice fast as the best way to start. You bet.

Mike: Well, how about if someone is going to work and they don’t have a juicer at work, should they just juice for the whole day at the beginning in the morning, or do you recommend substituting with the Master Cleanse recipe?

John: I knew you’d be asking some good questions. That’s a good one, Mike. Yeah, you bet. Most people can’t be tied down to a machine and most machines don’t make a good enough quality juice to take, to make up ahead of time and take it with you.

So, most of my students do have to work, or go to school and that’s where they use the Master Cleanser, that lemonade fast. They can make it up ahead of time and take it with them, and then while they’re around their machine, or as often as possible, and before they go to work, even if they can come home at lunch and juice and especially when they come home at night.

Put as much good quality fruit and vegetable juices in them and then use the master cleanser recipe while they’re away from the machine. Great question.

Mike: Yeah. So that’s a great combination of the Master Cleanse and the juice fast, but would it be okay to combine water fasting with juice fasting?

John: No, not at all because they’re two different things. Even Shelton mentions in his books that you don’t even want to drink lemon juice while you’re on a water fast because that’s going to take away that self-digesting mode. The body realizes it’s getting nutrition now and it stops having to self cannibalize itself. So, it’s very important that when you’re on a water fast that you consume no calories at all, no nutrients at all. And on a juice fast it’s important to consume a minimum amount of calories to prevent what’s known as gluconeogenesis.

In fact this is what got me into this sixteen years ago when I was writing a book on weight loss, I came up with a very complicated mathematical procedure to monitor my caloric activity so I could keep track of my very small carbohydrate fuel tank. In fact, I’ve played tournaments and sometimes I’d play two matches in a day because it was very important for me to make sure I had plenty of energy and not lose any of that precious muscle I worked hard to get so I could keep running around that tennis court.

So it’s very important when you’re fasting to give your body everything it needs especially the carbohydrates so that you keep your carbohydrate fuel tank filled up which is a very small fuel

tank and we can empty it in one day if we’re not careful. The average woman needs about 12 hundred calories a day. The average man needs 15 hundred, maybe 18 hundred. Of course if

you’re more active, or if you’re above average in size in muscle at least, you’ll need more calories.

Mike: I’d just like to clarify that where we’re talking about fresh raw juices, not the pasteurized and bottled juices that you can find in the store.

John: Exactly.

Mike: Don’t fast on Odwalla juices, because that wouldn’t be too safe. What types of liquids would you consume? We have fruits and vegetable juices, leafy greens, and young coconut water.

John: Yeah. You just took the words right out of my mouth. Yeah, coconut water would be great. You can drink any kind of teas. I’d stay away from the black teas, anything with caffeine in it, so chamomile tea, peppermint tea, those kinds of things.

As long as that doesn’t interfere with getting everything else you need. A lot of people that I work with are not used to drinking water at all and to get them to drink a gallon of juices is like pulling teeth out them. So, if you don’t have any problems drinking the minimum amount

of calories you need, which is close to a gallon of juice a day, then you can drink as much water as you want, as much herbal tea as you want. Of course, the young coconut water has almost a hundred calories per pint so you can use that also. As you can see if you were drinking nothing but coconut water, for women, they’d need 12 pints of that day.

So that’s why it’s important that we get a good wide variety of juices in our diet everyday. Some juices are pretty high in calories and some are pretty low, like celery is really low and cucumber is really low. On the high end we’ve got your berries and your green veggies like parsley and spinach, but if you get a good variety, you’ll probably have no problem at all of getting those minimum amount of calories.

Mike: So, I guess one of the main reasons for doing a cleanse is just to detoxify and clean out your body. The pictures on your website, a lot of people have questions about that. It’s a real controversial subject. Some people say there’s no such thing as mucoid plaque.

Other people are saying yes, there is, you’ve got to get it out. Is mucoid plaque a myth or reality?

John: I’ll be honest with you; I don’t like the term mucoid plaque. In fact, I sat down one day and I came up with 116 different names to call it besides mucoid plaque because there is so much controversy over it. I can tell you one thing for sure, I don’t care what you call it, or

where it’s at, I know it’s there. When I did this, I was in extremely great shape physically. Exercising 7, or 8 hours a day, anyone would be; 50 hours every week. That got my body fat percentage down to 5.8%.

I only had about nine pounds of total fat on me and I always wondered why I didn’t have this little bitty skinny waist like you see on little 15-year-old kids. It still was a 31-inch waist, which wasn’t too bad. It didn’t look too bad having a 41-inch chest. It was a good contrast but still it just didn’t seem right.

When I did my 90 day juice fast, I saw my colon shrink right before my eyes. You’ve got to keep in mind that I got into this because I perfected this very complicated mathematical procedure.

I was spending four hours everyday matching all of my exercise to all of my calories and I spent a lot of time keeping track of calories in and calories out. It wasn’t until day ten of my first juice fast that I realized I was documenting the wrong information.

On day ten of my first juice fast, I lost five pounds in those first ten days and I only had nine pounds of fat, and that’s when the light bulb went off. I’m thinking to myself I’m having stuff coming out of my everyday. I’ve lost five pounds. I wonder if I pooped those found pounds out of me. So on day eleven guess what I started doing?

I started documenting what came out of me because I wanted to know. So, when I did my 90 day fast, I actually weighed everything that came out of me and I had 45 pounds come out of me and I lost 20 pounds on the scale. I had a good chance to look at it. It just didn’t go in the toilet and disappear. If I couldn’t tell what it was, I’d get out the rubber gloves and put it in a bigger bowl and I’d look at it.

And I know this stuff wasn’t fiber that turned into it and I know it wasn’t psyllium bentonite. We hear that excuse all the time: “Well, it isn’t mucoid plaque, that’s psyllium and bentonite that’s turned into mucoid plaque.”

Well the first six long fasts I did, I never used psyllium or bentonite and that’s when I saw all of that stuff come out of me. And then when I finally tried the psyllium and bentonite I never

saw anything come out of me like that. So, I don’t care what you call it, I know it’s there. I’ve coached thousands of people and if they go long enough everyone sees it.

It reminded me of a long time ago, I was coaching this woman and she must have been on day 53 or something like that. She kept swearing to me, “John I don’t see it, I don’t see it”, and I said “well I know this is kind of a disgusting suggestion, but try to trap some of that. Try to catch it and take a better look at it”. She called me back in about ten minutes and was all excited saying “You’re right. You’re right. I just couldn’t tell because it was in the toilet and it was all murky and I could never see it, but you’re right. It looks exactly like those pictures.”

Mike: That is amazing. John: It really is.

Mike: I noticed that one of the hardest aspects of fasting that I’d like to address next, is that fasting is actually easy, but the hard part is breaking the fast. I think there’s a quote by Herbert Shelton that I love. It says something like “Any fool can fast, but it takes a wise person to break the fast.”

John: Yeah. I love that one too, and I can’t believe how true it is. I’m amazed at how many people I coach and I call them up the day they’re breaking their fast and I ask them what they did and I’ll take a double take and I’ll say “WHAT? You did what? I mean, how many times did we talk about this and you did what?” It’s just amazing, yeah. When you don’t eat for so long your brain goes back into your taste buds. Yeah, you’re right. It’s so important.

I’ve found if you break the fast the right way, it’s like taking a giant step forward, but if you do it wrong way, you take a giant step backwards. The last thing we want to do is erase a week’s

worth of juicing because it takes a lot of work to make these juices.

So you bet. Breaking the fast is the most important part of the program and what I find that works the best for me, I follow the advice of Professor Arnold Ehret because when I started fasting I looked into Shelton and I studied everyone else. They said, boy when you break that fast you don’t want to eat too much. You don’t want to overwhelm the system.

Then Ehret comes along and he says all those experts are wrong.

When you break the fast, you want to give your colon something to work with. You’ve got to eat a lot of food, but just make sure it’s laxative in nature. I’ve tried that out. I’ve been using myself as a guinea pig to try these things out and sure enough he’s right. If you take about a half a pound of prunes and soak them in a pint of water and drink that prune water and eat those prunes. If you’re clean, you’ll start seeing everything come out of you in about an hour, and if you’re real, real clean, it’ll all come of you in about two or three hours, and if you’re not clean, it won’t come out for maybe eight hours.

In fact, I’ve done this many times and I’ve ended up saying this is my prune test. If I realized I wasn’t clean enough, I’d need to get back on that horse and go a few more days. So, breaking the fast is very important. Basically, a rule of thumb is for every four days you fast, you’ll take one day to break it and that’s probably true up to about a month. Once you get up to six days of breaking the fast, you don’t need to take too much longer to break the fast. What I do is I introduce three main food groups in this time period.

I’ll give you a couple of examples to illustrate how this works.

Let’s say you go 24 days on nothing but juices, or juices and lemonade, and on day 25 you decide to break the fast. Well, since we went 24 days, divide that by four, we get six days to break it and since we’re going to introduce three food groups within that six-day period, every two days we’re going to introduce another food group. The first food group we introduce are laxative foods like prunes that you soak overnight. I find that they work so good that it just doesn’t even pay to try anything else out. So what you do on day 25, you start your day. You consume the prunes.

Now, for me I do eight ounces of prunes in 16 ounces of water. For most of my students who are women, they can only tolerate maybe four ounces of prunes, and this is before you soak them in water.

Four ounces of prunes will swell up to maybe six ounces afterwards, but you want to eat as much as you can. Someone can maybe eat six ounces. I even find some men have a hard time eating four ounces of prunes, but that’s what you do for day one and then the key is you’ve got to go back to your juices to make sure you get all of your calories. This is what makes it so hard

because once you start eating you sort of wake up a giant that’s inside of you that wants to eat and eat and eat, but you can’t go back to the three squares and two snacks a day.

You’ve got to respect your body’s limitations. So that’s what you do the first day of breaking a fast. The next day it’s not so important that you use the prunes again. Maybe you can use

something else that’s relatively laxative like cherries or figs or something. Then once again you go back to all your juices. Now the next two days you get to introduce one more meal, which

would be juicy fruits and since it’s not that important to stick with laxative fruits, I basically have my students do two meals of juicy fruits.

So you might have some mangoes for breakfast and some watermelon for lunch, or whatever. You know, two meals a day spread out anyway you want as long as you leave at least four

hours in between. Then you go back to all those juices to make sure you’re getting those 12 hundred, and 15 hundred calories, respectively.

Then finally the last two days, we get to introduce that last meal, or food group, into the breaking period and that meal would be a salad. Keep the salad simple. Usually three green leafy

vegetables, no more than. No fats at this time. Keep the salad simple and then once you’ve finished the breaking period, hopefully, you can go to what I call the ideal diet for building or maintaining, which is basically 100% raw foods.

Now to give you one more example to help illustrate how this works. Let’s say you go on a short fast of only four days. You divide that four days by four days and you get one day to break it.

So it’s really a five day fast. On that fifth day, we’re going to introduce three meals, laxative fruits, juicy fruits and a salad. So there is your breakfast, lunch, and dinner. These aren’t etched in stone. You can pretty much play with it as you feel you need to.

Just respect your body’s limitations. A lot of people seem to want to eat a salad the first thing, but that’s not the best way to break a fast. You want something that will jumpstart your colon because many times when you’re fasting you need to take something to make sure you have a bowel movement, like herbs or something.

If you were doing that, you’d want to get off the herbs. You want to make sure the body can take over on its own and you can get back to working on its own normally.

Mike: Speaking of the peristaltic action during the fast, there’s no food going in to simulate this action and you’re not going to have a bowel movement. So what do you think can be done about this? Do you recommend herbs? What specific herbs, or enemas, colonics? …..

To read more, sign up for my free raw foods diet newsletter, and then send me an email requesting the Juice Feasting eBook with John Rose. Thanks and have a Rawsome day!

Mike Snyder

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